00:00
it's been like seven years, right?
00:02
Does it feel different this time around to come back? First of all, one thing that people noticed that's different about me is like, there's my mustache.
00:10
I know, the daddy energy that I'm detecting right now.
00:16
Your natpan phenomenon is like one of the earliest.
00:19
We were like one of the first kuchins in the country. I love it there. I love being under the sea. It's like my meditation. It's the octopus. Octopus? Yes. It changes colors and patterns like very quickly. Give me those powers, please. Right now.
00:37
We make love heavier and harder than it should be. We almost have a checklist of what the perfect relationship should look like. How about just, I'm going to love you the best I can today. At this age, we call it wisdom. I don't know what the kids would call it. I picture in my mind that someday, somewhere, someone's going to be listening to this exact phrase that I'm singing and it's going to mean something to them.
01:07
I stumbled on this older couple. It's this hashtag. My song that I put my heart and effort into got to be this little part of her journey.
01:20
Have you ever met? And I feel like... What have you ever met again?
01:37
We can't do anything wrong. No, we can't do anything wrong. We can't do anything wrong. But the world is going to change new. It can't change just the same thing. But it's going to change.
02:05
The Seekersaw Summits The Age of Builders.
02:10
Natsakdathot. Swadhi khaap. Swadhi khaap. Long time no see.
02:14
Yes, it's very good to see you again. It's very good to see you. I remember I was in your other show before this.
02:20
Twice. Right. Speaking English. We need to talk. Yes.
02:24
Uh-huh. It's glad to be back.
02:26
Yeah, so this is not your first time with the standard because you're a familiar face. Yeah.
02:33
Yeah, I hope the listeners miss me. Thank you for coming back and welcome back. I'm very excited, very excited.
02:38
And I noticed we're wearing like the same stuff today.
02:40
I know, this is like guys' problem, right? Because we always like clash with like our outfit, but we don't care, right? No, I don't care. No, I like it. I like it.
02:48
I think we're in sync. We're in sync today.
02:51
You look great, by the way.
02:52
You too, you too. Thank you.
02:55
And of course, we're going to be talking about you and your song, your new song, which we love so much.
03:03
Yeah.
03:04
So how has the feedback been?
03:06
It's been pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's nice to come back and find that, you know, some people are still excited about me releasing a new song and seeing that the song has, like my music has grown with me. Yeah. We'll get into more detail.
03:24
Yeah, after all these years, right? Because a lot of fans are still waiting for your new song. Yeah, yeah. Always, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
03:32
It's been seven years since last time I released a new song.
03:35
I know, yeah. It's too long, huh?
03:36
It's too long.
03:37
Yeah.
03:38
It's definitely too long.
03:39
But it's not like you're laying around at your house because you're busy with other stuff, right?
03:44
Yeah, I was doing mostly acting jobs in between, but now it's like... The year when I felt ready to come back as an artist.
03:54
So going back, like from the start, you were a straight-A kid from Chiang Mai who went to Harvard. And then you came back to Thailand. That sounds like Na Man Sai.
04:05
That was you. That was what happened to you. And then you competed in the Academy Fantasia 4.
04:11
Yeah, season 4.
04:13
And you won the title. Ah, yes. I believe your Nat Pan phenomenon is like one of the earliest.
04:20
We were like one of the first Kuchin in the country. I know, like shipping culture started from there.
04:27
Yeah, you guys were it even before it became cool, I think. Yeah, right.
04:32
yeah and then you just release like many songs yeah like some of which like gain over a hundred million right yeah yeah yeah and uh like cut to today Katsu today, yes.
04:45
So yeah, I've been many things, I guess. But if I have to pick one that I feel like really represents me, I don't know.
04:54
I guess it would be like the artist part. And I guess that's why I came back, you know, as a musical artist this year. Because I feel like I'm really happy when people recognize me as the artist who sang like so-and-so song, you know, any song of mine, actually. Because...
05:13
When I go into the recording studio, there's this one specific part of it that I really love, which is when I'm singing into the microphone and then I picture in my mind that someday, somewhere, someone's going to be listening to this exact phrase that I'm singing and it's going to mean something to them.
05:35
And when it really happens, when people comment or come to me and tell me how how my songs like were part of their lives like say some people told me that they send lak te kon deeo between each other since they were dating and now they're married with two kids you know or like some people use this other song in the presentation in their wedding And it's those moments when I realized that even though I might not know them in person, I've somehow connected with them.
06:08
I've made a connection with them without having to be there physically. But my voice and my songs were there with them in those particular moments. And I just feel like that's incredible.
06:21
I want more of that.
06:22
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, let us have more of that. And we follow your social media, of course. And me personally, I really like it when I see you at your piano and playing piano and singing. Because it's simply because you look very happy when you're at your piano and singing for us.
06:42
I am. I am. I think, I don't know why. It's just when I sing, when I play music, it just feels like this is what I'm supposed to be doing. I don't know. It feels more like myself.
06:55
Sure, now you have your new single, which is Tila One. Tila One. Why did you choose this to be the message or the concept of the song?
07:07
First of all, I think I've grown quite a bit in terms of mentally, emotionally, and in terms of my perspective on life and love.
07:18
And I've come to realize that like a lot of the times we make love kind of, how do I say, like heavier and harder than it should be. You know how like sometimes when we're in a relationship, we have these questions like, how long are we going to love each other? You know, what's going to happen from now on? And then, or the questions like, oh, when are we going to have the big house, the happy family? Too many questions. Yeah. glamorous trips abroad, you know, like all those perfect couples.
07:51
I feel like sometimes we we have almost like have a checklist of what the perfect relationship should look like. And with all these, I guess, like questions and expectations, we somehow put too much pressure on the relationship itself, on our partners.
08:11
So, yeah, and I think that, like, makes us lose sight of what's right in front of us sometimes. Right. Yeah. Like, like, actually, the moment that we're getting to spend together right now is special. You know, it's like each day that I'm like, Waking up to see you, that's a gift.
08:32
I really think it's a gift. These too many questions, we kind of suck the joy right out of the great things that we're having right now.
08:41
In this song, I treat it as an invitation, I guess, to the listeners to maybe approach love a little differently. Instead of making promises like, I'm going to love you forever and stuff like that.
08:56
It's too overwhelming. Yeah, it's very overwhelming, right? So instead of that overwhelming sentence, how about just, you know, I'm going to love you the best I can today, you know? And let's not look too far ahead. Just focus on today and just, yeah, make the best out of it. Keep going one day at a time.
09:15
I know. Very nice, very realistic, very practical, and a lot lighter, you know? Yes.
09:22
I think that's the word, like lighter. Yeah. I think that's what I've come to be over the years. I've come to be a lot lighter about many things, including love and relationship. And isn't that great about getting older?
09:36
Because a lot of people might be scared. Oh, I'm getting older another year.
09:40
But actually, it comes with wisdom. This kind of wisdom that makes our life happier and lighter.
09:47
Well, for us, at this age, we call it wisdom. I don't know what the kids would call it. But yeah, I think it's like... I like myself more now than before. You know what I mean? As I get older. Yeah.
09:59
That's great, actually.
10:00
Yeah, yeah.
10:02
And well, you said yourself, it's been like seven years before this single came out. So how does it feel? Does it feel different this time around to come back with a new song?
10:18
It is different.
10:21
I mean, first of all, one thing that people notice that's different about me is like this, my mustache. I know.
10:27
The daddy energy that I'm detecting right now is working very well.
10:30
You know, like so many people commented on my mustache online. Nice mustache. Like some people say, oh, they love it. Some people say, oh, I hate this. I hate this. When are you going to shave? And some people say like, oh, don't shave. This is like why I love you. Yeah. Yeah. It's just funny.
10:48
Physically, I'm different. But jokes aside, I think, like I said, my perspective is very different this time.
10:58
For example, there's one of my songs from the past, a hit song of mine called Khi Tinh Chinh Mai Khun Di.
11:09
I think the 2026 version of me would probably say something like, No, you don't have to think through dung dung. You can think through dung dung or bau bau. Or you can just not think through me at all today. And it's still going to be okay. I understand. I'm still going to love you. You know, I think that's the kind of perspective change that you're going to see from me, from my upcoming music. Yeah.
11:35
Wow, great. Yeah, okay. And I can't wait to hear more of your songs because I know you have some still like in store for us. Yes, many actually. Yeah, well, we can't wait. All right, so let's do one word or more now. This is a segment where we get to know our guests through their own words, right? One English word you've just learned.
11:56
Oh, I love this word, actually.
11:59
Delulu.
12:00
Delulu? Have you heard about it? Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
12:04
It's like being delusional. Delusional, right? Like having delusional hopes or expectations or thoughts. It sounds a lot cuter for some reason. It makes your delusion sound so cute. I know, like Pokemon name. It's like, oh, I'm Delulu thinking that they think I'm hot.
12:19
Yeah.
12:22
So have you been successful in working that into your everyday life conversation?
12:26
No, I haven't used it yet.
12:29
I know because a lot of words, like some words, we can just like, okay, aware of their existence, but maybe it's not for us to use because that would make a lot of people cringe.
12:40
yes but who cares maybe well you can start using the other one that i like is zaddy what zaddy have you heard of that no oh really what is it okay zaddy it's like it's like daddy but like it's more stylish and sexy fashionable oh really yeah because someone commented on my instagram i was like what is zaddy so that's like that's pretty cool yeah yeah great word for you okay um how about one word that you find yourself saying most often um i would say you you're from chiang mai so right right right yeah do you still speak at all to some people yeah yeah wow from time to time but not not a lot because nowadays i i palat you know what that means yeah yeah that is like when yeah when you mix come with like right Um, but one favorite common word, probably, have you heard of?
13:34
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
13:38
I should have heard of that.
13:40
Like, sometimes in some content. The team is like, oh, I know this. Yeah, yeah. It means, um, but like, just like the word Delulu, I think sounds cuter. You know, and it makes your frustration sound almost like,
13:57
like soothing, more smooth, you know?
14:00
Right. Like if someone is like, I don't like it. I don't like it. It's like, oh, it sounds more angry.
14:10
I know, like a lot harsher. Yeah, yeah. But when you say, it doesn't seem like you're that upset. Yeah. Or you're not that annoyed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But eventually...
14:23
Actually, you're still very annoyed, but you choose to express your annoyance.
14:28
Yeah, it depends on the context, I guess. It can be used in a light-hearted way.
14:34
That's like a teasing thing. That's great. Okay, one go-to karaoke song.
14:41
Do you sing your own song at karaoke? Oh, no.
14:45
Not unless people force me to. Okay. Yeah, and I hardly go to karaoke nowadays.
14:51
But I think my one go-to song would be My Way. Oh, Frank Sinatra? Yes, it's my dad's favorite song. And it's like the kind of song that you could totally show your range. Because in the verses, it starts off like... And it's almost like spoken softly, you know, and now the end is there. And then like in the chorus, it goes big and like it shows off your vocal pipes, you know, like I did it my way.
15:20
It's like the range is like super grand. Yeah.
15:23
Yeah. So it's fun to sing that. Mm hmm. oh yeah okay my way i love that song okay one best musical everyone should watch once in their lifetime um you've been in some and you love musicals too yeah i love musicals um but i think the one that i'm gonna recommend it's not like a stage musical but it's like a movie musical oh um have you seen a star is born With Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper. Oh, okay. With the song Shallow. I haven't seen that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so good.
15:53
It's so good. I think everyone has to see that. Just because of the songs themselves. Great songs. And just the song called Shallow. That's like an instant classic. And I feel like the meaning is so beautiful. It's about people trying to reach...
16:12
deep connection, like deeper connection amidst all these shallow things happening in the world.
16:18
Yeah.
16:18
Yeah. Everyone should watch that.
16:20
Yeah. Yes. Right. A lot of great musicals actually. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay. Um, one sea creature you find most fascinating because you're so into diving, right?
16:32
Yeah. Yeah.
16:34
I love diving.
16:35
Okay. And one of the- You still dive like- Yeah, I dive every year. Every year. Okay.
16:41
My favorite creature is actually the manta ray.
16:45
But the one that I find most fascinating is the octopus. Octopus? Yes, because you know how it camouflages, right? It changes colors and patterns very quickly. And I always just wonder, how does it do that?
17:03
It must have an insane level of visual recognition ability of the colors and patterns around it, of the environment around it. I don't know what you call it, like color matching capabilities.
17:18
How does he know?
17:20
there's no mirror in the ocean. Like how does he know that he's already like exactly matching the environment? I know. It's not like feet check.
17:28
Yeah. Yeah. Me at the rock behind me. Yeah.
17:31
It's not like us humans where we like go to the mirror and be like, okay, I look okay now. But like they don't have anything to check how they look. And yeah, it's just amazing to me. I understand that they're very intelligent too, right? Yeah, they are in there. And plus they can regrow their tentacles. Yeah. I know. I'm just like, you know, give me those powers, please. Right now.
17:52
Regeneration. Yeah. Regeneration and color, shape, changing.
17:57
Right. Camouflage. Yeah.
17:59
Have you watched that on the documentary? I love it. Yeah.
18:03
On Netflix. The teacher or professor like octopus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's brilliant. I cried. I cried. I cried the moment when he was like touching the octopus arm. I know. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you can really make a connection with other living creatures, other than just us humans.
18:23
And you still go dive every year?
18:26
Yeah, when I have time, I still go diving, both scuba diving and free diving. I love it there. I love being under the sea.
18:35
It's like you're just, you're really just focusing on what's right in front of you and nothing else. It's like my meditation.
18:44
Right. Yeah. And it's like silence, right? Yeah. Or what kind of noise do you hear in the ocean?
18:52
Your own thoughts besides that?
18:54
No, you don't really hear your own thoughts, actually, because you're so focused on, like, just what you see and, like, the wonder that might come your way, you know, the new fish that, like, comes into your perspective.
19:09
Yeah, it's just...
19:10
And I just like that feeling, just being so focused and leaving everything else, all the problems behind for a while.
19:17
Yeah. I heard that word described from a lot of people who dive, like meditation. It's just like meditation. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Do you dive? No, I don't. Oh, you should try. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. So any favorite diving site?
19:35
Well, I mean, to start with, in Thailand, I would recommend Gottao and Gottsurin. Yeah, they're on different sites. Gottao is out Thai, right? Gottsurin is like Adaman Sea.
19:50
I see.
19:50
Yeah, go try.
19:51
All right. So when is your next dive going to be?
19:55
Maybe next year. Yeah, I'm going to the South Andaman.
20:00
Okay. All right. So one class from Harvard or Berkeley that you wish you could take once again. Okay.
20:08
Do we have time to talk about it?
20:11
why is that there's so many no i mean like um there's this one class called but i have to explain i guess why i like it okay this is one class at harvard called issues in ethics it sounds very serious yeah yeah yeah and then in that class we discuss about what's ethical and what's not what's right and what's wrong and i'm not sure if you've heard of this famous trolley problem have you heard of it no it's like a famous ethical problem right so um there's this um with the train yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there's this trolley this this unstoppable train on this track and it's like it's heading toward five people on the main track and it's gonna hit them and they're gonna die but if you're but you're standing right next to a lever that could switch the track to a different one if you switch the track the train would go to hit just one person instead would you would you not or should you or should you not right like uh you know pull the lever and switch the track yeah yeah yeah yeah would you yeah i've
21:18
heard about that yeah would i i wouldn't you wouldn't why i wouldn't because i don't want to take the matter into my own hand like the life like the responsibility yeah yeah so like just let whatever be but then like five people would die instead of one yeah it's fine right it's their fate yeah so so like in that class we talk about stuff like this but like in in some school of thought they would say like you know having one death is better than having five deaths yeah yeah and then the other school of thought would would say something like what you just said now right right if you shouldn't pull the lever because, um, if you do that, then you are an active, uh, participant in this situation and you actively cause the death of one innocent person.
22:10
Yeah. So like, yeah, yeah.
22:12
I think like it's, it's just fun to like, yeah. Think about all these questions. And how, how do we value life? How do we compare? Like five is like greater than one. Yeah, exactly.
22:23
How do you argue about that? Yeah. I think like, The fun part about it is that there's no right or wrong, really. It just depends on which standard you're using in talking about this problem. And would you? I don't know. You would either? I seriously don't know. I think I would yell.
22:45
like go away from that track you know what are you doing on the train track in the first place i would just slap myself like oh no i'm dreaming yeah right yeah so that's the fun part there's no right or wrong and we can argue this like to the end of the world right right right and i think like we need more of that um I guess like open discussion space nowadays because we judge each other so quickly.
23:15
We take sides so quickly before listening to the whole story or we forget that sometimes there are I guess like multiple sides to the same story or multiple ways of looking at it.
23:31
But I guess in the educational context, they might need some kind of evaluation to determine whether or not you're doing great or not in the class.
23:44
So how do we get evaluated in this kind of class?
23:48
It's like how you form your argument. Ah, okay. And how you support your argument. Okay. Yeah. Right. Basically. So that's the point, right? How convincing are you? Yeah. Yeah.
23:58
That's the point. It's not like, okay, you're right or you're wrong. Yeah, it's not. How you perform.
24:02
I think that's the great thing about a lot of the classes there. Because it doesn't teach you that there's only one right answer. Right. Yeah. They always teach you that you can have your own right answer as long as you make... Can't support it. Yeah. A convincing argument. Right.
24:20
Yeah.
24:21
We need more classes like that, right?
24:23
Yes, we do.
24:25
Okay. One character from any movie, TV show, or anime...
24:29
That's basically you. You know, I, um, that's really hard, but, um, the other day, um, I, I did not the other day. I, I actually, I did this personality test twice, almost like, like seven years apart or something. Okay.
24:47
And I got the same answer. What kind of test is this?
24:50
The one that a lot of people do online where it gives you like your personality type. And I came out to be like INFJT. I see. So it's the MBTI.
24:58
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was it called again?
25:02
MBTI. Yeah, MBTI. So I got INFJT twice. I see. And I did this like seven years apart. I still got the same answer. Yeah.
25:12
In the result, it listed famous people and characters who have this personality type. And one of them turned out to be Jon Snow from Game of Thrones. I was like, really?
25:28
Because when I watched that show, he's not my favorite character at all, but I don't know. I guess that's what it says, you know, that this person type is Jon Snow. I don't know. I'll let the listeners be the judge.
25:41
Are there like other characters on the list that you like better than Jon Snow? Do you remember?
25:47
I remember Aragorn from Lord of the Rings. Okay.
25:52
And then there's like Nicole Kidman and Nelson Mandela. Okay. Yeah, but those are not fictional. For the time being, you're Jon Snow? Yeah, for the time being, Jon Snow, but you can disagree with that.
26:09
What's your type again?
26:10
INFJT.
26:13
INFJT.
26:15
It's supposed to be rare, I don't know, but all my friends have it.
26:21
Well, maybe you guys are friends for a reason, right? Maybe. Yeah. Because you're the same type. Yeah. So you hang out, but only six of you.
26:28
But none other in this country. Maybe. I don't know.
26:32
Yeah.
26:33
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So one topic or story that you would find worth sharing if you had your own TED Talk.
26:44
Would you go on a TED Talk?
26:46
I think last time we talked or something, I said that that was like one of my dreams or something to be on TED Talk.
26:54
But actually, you know, it's funny. It's funny that you ask that because nowadays I've kind of forgotten that dream. Yeah, that's what happened to dreams. Yeah, and I kind of feel like, ironically, if I had my own TED Talk, it would probably be about how...
27:10
it's okay to not have a TED talk and still be happy with yourself, you know? And I think about how, I guess, dreams can change, dreams can evolve, you know? And actually, I think you should allow them to change and evolve. Interesting. Because our world is always changing, like every day, you know what I mean? I don't think...
27:34
you should stick or cling on to just one particular version of the dream. Because say, for example, if my dream was to be on a TED Talk, and if they decide to discontinue it, like, then that sucks. Like, I'm going to be so bummed, right, if I just cling on to that. But I think if I dissect it and then ask myself, what is it about that dream that I really want? You know, is it about, like, being on stage? Is it about...
28:05
The TED Talk name? Yeah, the TED Talk name. Or is it about being recognized as an expert in something? Or is it about sharing a valuable story with people and hoping that I can inspire them? Because I think...
28:20
All of those things can be done differently and can be achieved in different ways. Right. It doesn't have to be on the TED Talk stage, right? Exactly. It doesn't have to be just a TED Talk. So yeah, I guess like maybe the core was still there, but I guess you should let the shape of your dream evolve.
28:36
Wow. That's deep, man. And I would definitely click on that video if you ever get your own TED Talk talking about that. Yeah. How we don't need a TED Talk.
28:48
Would they be happy with this? But I bet they would be so happy and thrilled with a topic like this. Like, yeah, I'm here to tell you that we don't need this.
28:57
Yeah, I'm here to tell you that I don't need you. But I'm on your stage.
29:01
But nicely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Wow, interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so shout out to TED Talk. We still appreciate you.
29:11
And if you invite me, I'm still going to go, you know?
29:13
Yeah.
29:15
okay all right um one dream that you're still chasing at the age of 43 because you once were a dream chaser yes yeah so you still like any fun at all I guess I still do and this is the reason why I'm still here my dream would be to make songs that matter Yeah, because I see, I guess I don't want to make songs that are deliberately designed to just grab people's attention.
29:48
You know, I want to make songs that years afterward, people can come back to and listen to them.
29:56
and feel the meaning, feel the message, and feel some connection to them. Yeah. And I guess I'm still chasing that dream. Not just a viral one. No.
30:05
Which would go away in a month. Exactly.
30:07
Yeah. Yeah. I want my songs to live for a long time.
30:11
Yeah. Okay. But have you found the recipe of make that come true?
30:18
I think you just have to be...
30:22
telling like honest stories.
30:25
Because somewhere in the world, there's going to be someone having a similar experience to you. And if you tell that in an honest way, I think someone's going to feel... Relatability, right? Yeah, relatability. They're going to feel relatable. And it's going to represent that feeling as well. Yeah.
30:47
Wow. Okay. Yeah, I think that's a great... great dream to, to chase. And it's going to take, yeah, my whole life. Right. Yeah. Cause I'm just going to keep doing it because it's not going to be good if, okay, I'm done. Yeah. It's not like one song and I'm done. Yeah.
31:04
Yeah. You, you, you still want to keep chasing it.
31:07
Yeah. Yeah. And, and that's what matters, right? Yeah. To, to be doing something matters. From your perspective, like every day. Yeah.
31:16
Okay.
31:17
All right. How about one day of the year that you like the most?
31:21
Oh, I have this. I have this.
31:23
Yeah? New Year's Day. New Year's? Yes. Really? Because this past year, I was in Tasmania, in Australia, on New Year's Day, New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. And I was at the waterfront. Mm-hmm.
31:40
watching the fireworks along with many other people there. And then when it finished, when the fireworks finished, you know, I remember this moment so clearly, like the the strangers around me, they They turned to me and we didn't know each other. We just met there. And they turned to me and they're like, Happy New Year. And with a smile on their face. And then I said, Happy New Year back. And then they hugged me and we hugged.
32:10
I just feel like it's one of those days when you could really feel, how do I call it, I guess, the good side of people that's still there, you know?
32:23
I miss all these crazy things happening in the world. Like, New Year reminds me that there's still some goodness in there that, you know, some people still wish other people good things. And I think that's really nice. And I think it would be great if we could carry that kind of spirit with us throughout the rest of the year. Yeah.
32:47
And I can totally understand why human creates festivals. Like to make it special on their like super ordinary day and it could mean something. And it could create this kind of connection between human to human.
33:06
Very simple, very easy.
33:08
Wish the other person good. And then just human contact.
33:14
Right there. Human contact.
33:16
I made a human contact to the microphone. Human contact.
33:21
I think these festivals kind of remind us that...
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um, that we're not alone in this world, you know, and, and, um, that we, we, I guess we have other human beings living with us as well. Right.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Wow.
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That's great. I actually love new year's Eve and new year's day. Yeah.
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What did you do on new year?
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Usually, uh, for the past seven or eight years, I've been in Japan, like every new year.
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It's very cold in Japan.
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I know, I know, but I love it cold. I love it. I love it like silent, um, focused, isolated. So that's the time I spend with myself. And I guess it started with a very good experience on the very first day. And then I just want to repeat it.
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I'm that kind of person who, if I like something, I want to repeat it and have it again and over again. So there's no surprise waiting. I know that this I would like.
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Is there a specific part of Japan that you especially love?
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It could be like Osaka. It could be Tokyo. It could be Fukuoka. It could be anywhere. But a city. The city?
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The city. In the city. Yeah, in the city.
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Yeah, just sometimes my hotel room, sometimes at the onsen, sometimes. So you like peace during New Year's.
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Peace, yeah.
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I really need like peace during. Because you work a lot, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but well, I guess we, it would be nice if we have like time to ourselves.
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Right.
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And yeah, New Year's that time for me. yeah right yeah yeah right okay speaking of day uh let's do something very very comedy which is we are studying like um idioms right so because your song one day at a time one day at a time yeah thank you Your song, One Day at a Time, is one of the most popular idioms that is taught in a textbook or people actually use it, right? So actually, there's a lot of idioms that have the word days in it.
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I would want you to pick and then we can talk about it. So there's a lot of idioms on the table.
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for you to choose?
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Let's pick...
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I'll start with a bad experience.
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not my day okay not my day not my day right so so tell us about your unluckiest day when everything went wrong yes i remember this so vividly um i went back to the u.s the first time in 20 years the last year um to to travel around arizona and the whole like angelo canyon area But when I entered the country, you know, the whole immigration area, when I got to the officer, so he asked me like, oh, what are you here for?
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So I told him like, yeah, I'm going to go see like Antelope Canyon, blah, blah, blah. I showed him the itinerary that I prepared, you know what I mean?
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And then he looked suspicious.
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And I was like, okay, whatever. And then he told me to do my fingerprint, right? And then I did my fingerprints like this with my fingers kind of like hunched over a little bit. Okay. And then he was like, who told you to do fingerprints like that? And I was like, I don't know, I do this in Thailand, you know, because I thought you only needed the... The tip. The tip. Yeah. And he was like, no, you have to put the whole hand down. Really? Yeah. I was like, oh, that's new for me. And I was like, okay, I'll do this.
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And then after I did that, and then he was like, okay, I'm going to have to bring you into another room. And I was like, wait, what's wrong? So I asked him, is there something wrong? I asked very nicely. And then he responded with, I don't know, is there?
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huh he was like so mean to me and he and he was i mean not to point out that he was asian-american i i i was hoping that you know someone with like i was gonna ask my asian connection would like help me yeah he was like so mean to me and then so i was i got brought into another room and when i enter there was like a hundred people waiting in that room waiting to be interviewed once more okay yeah and you were not allowed to use your phone in that room so i couldn't tell my friends that i was stuck here and i don't know how long it's gonna be like my friends were already like you know in the baggage area and stuff like that and it was everything was just like so frustrating so i ended up spending like two hours in there doing what just waiting around yeah waiting around to them for them to like interview me again with the same questions like what am i doing in this country how long i'm gonna be and i was just like i already told you all this okay like
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why do i have to be and i i still don't know the answer to this thing yeah wow but this is like not my day yeah not my day okay but this is a kind of attitude you could expect sometimes from some people at the airport because yeah well they're doing their job because they don't know who we are right we could be like the villain or like the bad guy i had like study i know yeah i had like um you know background of like studying in the us i'm like it's not like i'm gonna do something bad in this country i know i know yeah yeah one of those days that one of those days yeah yeah maybe i didn't look good that day
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Was it the first time that bad things happened to you at the airport or you've had this kind of experience before?
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No, usually, um, I never have any problem with immigration.
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That was like the first time.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Cause usually when, when you, um, when they look through your passport and see a lot of like travel history, that's usually okay. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. But this time it's just like, oh, not, not my day. Not my day. Okay.
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the next one please next one um how about uh this one okay all right
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The big day. So usually this would be used in the context of like wedding. A very important day. Important day. Especially like wedding. Like when's the big day, right? So people usually ask this to know like when they're going to like get hitched or like tie the knot. When's the wedding day? So do you see any like wedding day in your like mind? Yeah.
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Or could this big day be something else for you?
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Yeah, for me, the reason I picked this one is because...
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I personally don't like this word.
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I have bad experience with it. Whenever I view something as the big day, I usually screw it up. I usually end up screwing it up. That's why I feel like I want to talk about it in the sense that nowadays I try not to view any day as the big day anymore.
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I try to view it as just another day. You know what I mean?
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Not that I...
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try to lessen its significance um but um there was this one day uh when i um recently i don't know if you remember there's a this famous uh show that came to shoot in thailand season three ah yeah uh that one um the series it's like my favorite series yeah yeah so i auditioned for i auditioned for that oh and i actually got called back um it was i was like one of the last four people for one of the roles and so i i i was gonna go meet the director right and i i saw that as like oh this is the big day you know this is the big day this is like the day that's gonna be my breakthrough like this is my entry into hollywood you know what i mean and with that comes with so much pressure yeah that i i that it like it ended up i ended up just like being so nervous that day i don't remember what happened at all i think i went into the room and just everything went by so quickly i think like i met the director and i i remember like
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answering some questions that he asked um with the words that I intended not to use.
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I was talking about like, oh, I used to be on a reality TV show in Thailand called American Idol. I was like, what?
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I can't be Fantasia, but I was so out of it. I said so many of the wrong things. And yeah, so I think it's because I view it as the big day. The big day, right? So the pressure, huh? The pressure, yeah. So nowadays I feel like, I'm not going to view anything as a big day anymore. You're just going to be chill about any day at all. And based on my experience, you know, like my best auditions have been on the days when I told myself, okay, I'm just going to go in, have fun and see what happens.
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Usually that's when I got the job.
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That's when I got a job.
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Yeah, the right attitude that worked for you in the past.
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So yeah, no more big day for me.
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just another day yeah yeah just another day when i'm gonna do my best and have fun yeah yeah good very actually because i'm sure a lot of people are like you that if they put a lot of pressure on anything at all they tend to mess it up yeah because you expect um too much out of yourself yeah yeah yeah okay no more big days no more big days okay next one please
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I'm gonna keep this one for the last. How many am I picking?
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You can talk about all of them or anything at all. I'll pick...
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make someone's day okay yeah all right so make someone's day actually means like make someone feel great yeah make someone so especially if they're having a bad day for example and then you are the reason that that day of theirs yeah become good right yeah so when was the last time
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A stranger made your day. It was very recently, actually. After I released this song, Tila One.
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And you know how nowadays people like to use songs in their reels and like social media content, right? On TikTok and stuff like that. So yeah, when I released my song, I like to press on the audio and see...
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it will give you like all the videos that people have used this pan siang. So I looked through the pan siang and then I saw couples using this song to represent their good moments and stuff like that. And then I stumbled on this older couple. I think they're probably about like 50 something.
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and they were both looking very happy and smiley in all the footage like they were eating noodles they were enjoying their time in the park and then there's this one moment where she was like giving a cake to her husband and saying happy birthday and then i saw in the caption it says hashtag And then I was like, yeah, that moment, I had to just like stop, you know what I mean?
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And for me, it really meant a lot that my song that I put my heart and effort into got to be this little part of her journey through this thing. Yeah.
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And yeah, I think just that really made my day. Yeah. Just knowing that. Right. Yeah.
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Because in your work, in your line of work, your career, you feel like you're a giver. You give people entertainment. You give people meaning to their life. And then it surprises you sometimes that they give you back. This kind of thing. A simple thing that makes you feel like, oh, it's worth it.
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Yeah, I think for them, it might just be, oh, just one fun clip I'm going to make. One fun video clip I'm going to make. But for me, i i feel really appreciated just getting to be in that you know yeah little that little part of their life right yeah little part of their journey like i can't like fighting against something yeah so nice yeah yeah okay that made my day yeah what else maybe one more one more before we get to that oh before one day at a time yeah um How about this?
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Okay. All right.
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should have save it for a rainy day yes okay i mean i don't hear this very often yeah it's kind of an old expression i think oh it is like yeah like save it for the rainy day uh it's like when you save an idea yes when you say or money uh for the future that you might actually need it yeah yeah so maybe you'll be like out of a job someday but if you save something for a rainy day so ready day being the day that everything goes wrong or like your time of trouble or something like that.
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So it would be wise to save this for a rainy day. So for your situation, maybe as an artist, is there anything at all that you kind of save in your bucket idea, for example. Yeah. And then you might, okay, one day I'll do this. I do it all the time.
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I write down like short notes or even words that I like that I want to write songs about and then like the notes on my mobile phone. Yeah.
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And then there's this one idea. Actually, as we're talking now, this single is also released as well.
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It's called Rome.
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Umbrella, right? Yeah, Umbrella. It's like on a rainy day.
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Exactly. Literally.
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So I got to use this idea in this new song. Because it's about like... What did you write on your note? For this idea. Just Rome. Because I noticed that like, this is like this little thing that sometimes, because I'm like the kind of person who sometimes forget my Rome. Okay. Yeah. And when I forget it, I realized that, oh, it's this little thing that can really help me when I need it. But sometimes I forget it.
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You know what I mean? It can protect me against a rainy day. Yeah. So I, yeah, I decided to use that as an idea. Mm-hmm. where I compare like, you know, when you love someone and if they're having like a hard time, difficult times, difficult problems, I compare that to like a rainy day that if I can't stop the rain, at least let me be an umbrella that helps you get through this rain.
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And then when you're done, when the rain stops and you're done with it, you can just put me away.
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Like an umbrella, yeah.
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I'll sit in my corner. I don't have to be with you all the time, but just when you really need me. Yeah, just when you really need me.
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Just when you don't want to be wet.
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Alright, so do you actually see yourself like being just an umbrella to someone?
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I have been, yeah. There was some in the past, not right now anyway, but yeah. When you realize that, you know somehow like, oh, this is going to sound bad.
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Sometimes you fall in love with someone who's already taken, you know, and then it's like, and it's like, oh, you know, you have no chance with them.
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Yeah.
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But still, you're like willing to sit there and listen to their problems and whatnot. But at the end of the day, you realize, oh, they're just going to go back to that same person, you know?
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How frustrating.
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Yeah, but if you really love them, you just...
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Yeah. Yeah. You just have to be the umbrella. Yeah. You have to be there. It's kind of like a prolonged song. You know what I mean? Yeah. Right.
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Yeah. You're never going to get that love.
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So how does the chorus go? Can you give us a little... It goes something like this Yeah, that's half the chorus.
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because you know that when the rain is over when the rain stops she's just gonna like yeah get out of here she's gonna go back yeah okay but at least i yeah i did what i wanted to do yeah so well we are not like trying to teach you like what is the best way um to navigate your love but this This kind of thing really happens to a lot of people. It happens.
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Yeah, that's the message, right? Yeah, that's the message. And that's one of the ideas that I saved and actually got to use.
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I bet you still got a lot more, right?
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Yes.
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In your notebook.
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I have like hundreds of ideas that have not been written yet. How do you pick, like, what's going to be your next song? from all these hundreds of ideas that you have you know every song has a different journey sometimes um an idea really speaks to you and i will i will start writing the hook the chorus part from that idea if i have like a sentence in my mind that i i want to put that in to a melody yeah but sometimes i will go into a recording studio with with my songwriting team And we'll work on something and we'll get like a melody.
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And then I will realize, oh, I can fit this idea to this particular melody that we just made. So it's like many different ways.
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So you write your own song, you write your own music, and you've been making music on your terms for years now. So how great is it to be independent or how...
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exhausting is it to be independent? Because I guess there's both sides, right?
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Yeah, they're both sides. It's both exciting and exhausting, I have to say, like financially exhausting. I guess you love it, right? Yeah, I love it. I love it. I guess the thing that's really different about being an independent artist is that you're sort of like... the captain of your own ship now, you know what I mean? And whichever direction it goes, or if it sinks, the captain goes down with the ship you just have to you have to be responsible for it right like you can't blame anyone else anymore like before with a music label you can be like oh see like i told you this idea didn't work you know why did you make the music video like that you know what i mean but now it's you at the helm yeah now it's me now it's just me yeah but yeah it's fun yeah
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Okay, so I guess the last one that we'll be talking about is one day at a time, right? So apart from the love stuff, what do you want to advise your listeners to take it one day at a time? Because this could use in other contexts too, right? Maybe for some like huge goal that you have and you feel like it's overwhelming and you cannot go on. Exactly. I heard it's used in the context of like rehab too.
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Yeah, rehabilitation. Like when you try to get on your feet once again after you've been through all the hardship and stuff.
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So yeah. I think it can be applied to literally like everything in life. And actually that's why I wrote this concept. I didn't try to make it just about love. And I hope people listen to it and and can see that life can be approached like one day at a time. You know what I mean? Because I think all of us have things that we want to achieve, but haven't achieved them yet. You know, and we have all these questions in our head like, when is it going to happen?
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Is it really going to happen?
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But I guess those kind of questions, they're the questions that I say belong to the future. We can't do anything about it. We can't control it.
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I see it as the questions that more belong to today are questions like, what can I do now in these 24 hours that can help me get just a little closer to what I want. You know what I mean? And I think if we can shift our focus to a smaller unit like that, a more manageable one, maybe life would be a bit easier lighter you know instead of um yeah instead of worrying about tomorrow just let tomorrow be tomorrow and we'll just make the best out of today and see what happens i love that word you use manageable manageable because if you and it's not wrong to have like such a big dream it's not wrong i think you should have big dreams sure but if you view it always like a big dream
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Like you be with Asla, like a big day, right? Yes, yes. Maybe you get too discouraged to even go on. But if you like...
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make it into the small manageable segment, then it seems very possible.
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If your dream is that big, don't focus on how big it is, but focus on the smaller units that you can separate it into, and then just do each little unit one by one, one day at a time.
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Like what you can do today, right?
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And for you, what would be another big goal for you that you have right now besides making music that matters?
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What's another big goal besides making music?
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Yeah, besides making music that matters like you said before. That's a good question. Yeah.
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because I'm so focused on this right now.
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Another big goal, I guess it's going to be about work again, but I want to be in a non-Thai production still.
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I want to be in an English speaking series or a movie.
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I think that would be fun. I want to use my English.
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I want to see you in that dream.
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I think that's another dream.
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But I'm not going to rush it.
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Just take it one day at a time. Okay. All right. So that's...
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I mean, after so many years that we get to talk, let alone in English, too. Yeah, I'm so glad that I get to talk to you today.
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I'm really glad to be sharing all this.
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I want you to come back, like, whenever. Like, whenever. Whenever. If you have anything new.
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Yeah, I'm gonna give you, like, every single.
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Every single that I release.
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Whenever you have new things coming up or big things, small things, medium-sized things, anything at all that you want to share with our audience or with me, you just have to come by.
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Thank you. I will take up that offer.
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okay all right that's a real invitation yeah okay so um i'm asking this to all of my guests at the end of the show okay your most favorite word committee does it have to be in english or thai well english thai or any language at all that you feel comfortable oh my god i want to introduce this this um i guess i guess it's a phrase actually it's a japanese phrase okay yeah it's um i don't have you heard of it um
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. People say it all the time, right? Like every time they finish the day after they have worked with each other, they say to each other. And it literally means like you were tired today. Like it's kind of like said to acknowledge the other person's effort that day, the time that they spent doing something for you.
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So I think, yeah, I think that's That's really nice. At the end of the day, it's nice to just acknowledge everything everybody else has done for you and appreciate it.
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Something like that. Yeah, that's a great thing too. We don't really say that that often, right? No. Not to the point where it's almost like a tradition.
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But Japanese people say it like a regular thing on a daily basis.
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Maybe they say it instead of like saying hi. yeah the first thing that they say to each other yeah that's that's a great word yeah i like it and uh thank you so much thank you so much for today i had fun yeah me too
